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Posted: August 10, 2006 06:18 pm  
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Eheheheh.
I love doing this :-)
Philoshopic Discussions are probably my favorite thing to do.
Besides argue o.O
We'll get to that later xD

but.
What is your view on the word "truth"?
should it even be allowed to be a word?
It doesn't technically even exist.

Because "truth" exists on knowledge.
I could say anything about you, and it'd be true...but I don't know anything about you.
Even if it was a lie, I could say it, and it'd be true, to me.
Because I don't hold the knowledge to say that it's not.

And how do we know which things are right, and which is wrong?
Tyrants, for instance.
For every tyrant, there's a hero.
Because.
The Tyrant is a hero to the people he's leading.
Look at Stalin, the founder of the USSR.
To the Soviet Union, he was a hero. He was someone to look up to, someone who would finally lead the nation back to it's glory.
But to us, he was a tyrant...soemone to be afraid of.
The USSR was, anyway.
Considering it terrorized the world with Nuclear Weapons for about 50 years. But was around for 90 o.O;

Terrorism is the same.
To us, it's freaky.
But it is an act of heroism to them.


So how do you know which is right, and which is wrong?


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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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Posted: August 11, 2006 12:43 am  
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Truth is defined by society and facts.
For instance though some people denie the Holocaust happened there is enough "evidance" and support by society to make it "true"
Also right in wrong is created by society. Though there are some universal right and wrongs like killing. But those may go further back to cave man society.


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Posted: August 11, 2006 07:00 pm  
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Lol. the Holocaust did happen...we have proof....

And, honestly, I didn't understand most of what you said..
Try slowing down the typing, not make so many typos..


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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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Posted: August 12, 2006 12:39 am  
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I don't think I made that many...
Truth is defined by society and facts.
For instance though some people deny the Holocaust happened there is enough "evidance" and support by societies to make it "true"
Also right and wrong is created by society. Though there are some universal right and wrongs like killing. But those may go further back to cave man society. Others are based on where you live. Some right and wrongs are based on current cercumstances.


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Posted: August 12, 2006 02:06 am  
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Okay...
I'm still lost.

People Deny the Holocaust happened *even though* there's evidencE?
Otherwise that makes NO sense what-so-ever.
That's what I meant by typo. I thought you had left that out >_>

And Universal Rights and Wrongs still don't make sense.
Wars are considered "right", but all they are all killing people.
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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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Posted: August 13, 2006 12:12 am  
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Oh.... I thought I put in an even though in there.

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I could say anything about you, and it'd be true...
what you call "wrong" could also be easily disputed. If what you say is true is true then it would work in reverse where what I see is false is infact false. This would work even if you had physical evidence. If I said your physical "Evidance" was false then it would be false. If acording to what you say is "True" that killing is wrong then if I say it's right then it's right. The only reason why we feel it's with out a doubt wrong is there is enough of us saying it is wrong. If for instance we all we're to say it is right then it's right. If you think about it if everyone said that killing was right wouldn't you more than likely also think the same? "Truth" or rather "Absolute truth" runs on a group mentallity since "truth" itself is so subjective. Wars aren't considered "right" usually in the sense that they are the "right" thing to do because KILLING PEOPLE is "right" rather that the outcome without it is much worse. War's are normally excepted as being "nessicary". being "nessicary" isn't the same as being "right". WWII was "necissary" in the sense that it stopped something people believed would be worse then the amount of people who would have to die. That is the mentallity usually associated with war. If Enough people feel war is the "right option (such as WWII) then war becomes "right" and thus overrides any preconcieved "universally" excepted right in that case. What I mean by
"Universal" also doesn't mean that everyone excepts it either. For instance the Holocaust is "universally" accepted as something that happened but not everyone believes it did.
Also because people can choose what they percieve as true despite what other say even if the rest of the people say one thing or we felt one way before we can still choose to change our minds. So if we feel vengeful, for instance, we can choose to see what evereyone else says is wrong and what we say is right. The only way for us to say something is "right" and someone is "wrong" and trully feel justified about it is if many others also feel the same way. Thus "Universal" truth.

Hehehehe...... That probably just confused you more right? It's hard to explian.


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Posted: August 13, 2006 11:37 pm  
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XD you know, you just proved my point.


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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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Posted: August 14, 2006 12:40 am  
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Um... That's because in my original post I was agreeing with you. smile.gif


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  Posted: August 14, 2006 04:16 am  
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In my opinion... People will have different beliefs. Some beliefs are wrong and some may be right; but others are based on a persons self opinions. For example, gay marriage. Some people believe it is okay, but others believe that it is wrong and goes against the Bible. Well, you can't take stuff out on gays because you have a opinion about gay being wrong. Maybe gays think being straight is wrong.
Not everyone will have the same opinion on everything, but you have to learn to see other peoples way of thinking before you critize. Never say you are right about something, because someone else might think different. This world will never have world peace because not everyone believes in the same thing and most will not change their beliefs.
 
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Posted: August 14, 2006 04:41 pm  
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Oh.
sleep.gif I always misinterpret your posts...
Sorry.

And, that's true.
That's what I'm saying.
There's really no defined view or whatever.


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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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Posted: August 14, 2006 10:05 pm  
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It's okay. Maybe I'm just not that clear.

I Agree gothluv. People just to often seem to forget that.


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Posted: August 15, 2006 11:45 pm  
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what is 1 mans meat...is another mans poison..... blink.gif
 
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Posted: August 16, 2006 05:45 pm  
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>_>;

I've heard the analogy other ways..
But sure.



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The Good God and the Evil God met on the mountain top.
The Good God said, "Good day to you, brother."
The Evil God made no answer.
And the Good God said, "You are in a bad humour today."
"Yes," said the Evil God, "for of late I have been often mistaken for you, called by your name, and treated as if I were you, and it ill-pleases me."
And the Good God said, "But I too have been mistaken for you and called by your name."
The Evil God walked away cursing the stupidity of man.

Limit? What "Limit"?! You have no idea what I'm capable of! ~Kazuma, s-CRY-ed
 
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